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Squazzz Featured By Owner 1 day ago
Keep this in mind, Sarinilli.

I only know two Hylian words:

Master and link/connection.

"Master" in Ancient Hylian is "Madi" (Mah-dee), and "connection" is "Madas" (Mah-dahss).

You might have already known that, but my proof is that in Skyward Sword, Fi always says "Madi Madas" in exact correlation to "Master Link," and just "Madas" in correlation to "Link." ALWAYS.
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Sarinilli Featured By Owner 20 hours ago  Professional Artisan Crafter
Well, I DID actually incorporate "madi" as a positive word for Master in my Hylian Language Project; but I have been working on it for far far longer than Skyward Sword has been out, and the word I still keep in my files for "link" or "connection" is "sithal". 

A little story though; is that as Nintendo has said; Link gets his name in the games from the meaning behind it; he is literally the link between the player and the game. They even said at some point (and I'm sure if I looked it up I could find it somewhere) that "his name may not always be Link"... so I see Madas as the personal name for the hero of the Sky Era. Though all names DO have meanings, in any language... I see Madas as a name meaning something closer to having a deep spiritual connection or balance. If that makes sense. :3

Oh, and the negative word for master is "keiral".
Madi meaning Master or Mistress in a respectful positive way; Keiral meaning master in the sort of way that shows the person has dominance over or "owns" the one saying it; so Ghirahim wouldn't ever call Demise "Madi", he would call him "Keiral". In the sense of "ownership", Madi would be disrespectful as the meaning is entirely different in Hylian. 
For example calling a female Miss is polite to a younger woman but may be seen as rude to an older more refined woman where Ma'am or "Mrs" is more appropriate.


So now you know three words in Hylian and the meaning behind a name. ;3
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Elmind Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014
Is it complete? If so, could you bundle up in a single ZIP/RAR file?
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Sarinilli Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
It's very far from complete.
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Zarkaynnel Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  New member
I Think you've done a brilliant work, and it shows the time/dedication you've put into this

I myself am very good at languages (real, dead and gaming ones), I've helped in the development and translation of some known languages (perhaps you know of the dragon language in elder scrolls V: skyrim?)

Allow me to tell you how impressed i am for how good you've figured out the phonetics/grammar of Hylian language, and in order to make your research on this language even more exciting (spicing things up, yeah!) I'd like to point some little things (probably you've noticed but you'll want to give it some research anyway)

I've played a lot of Zelda games, and based on my observation of the language in the games, i think you'd agree that this language you've posted here applies only to the Skyward era (and arguably to the unknown, unintelligible Hylian found in "A Link To The Past"...I've got reasons to believe i might be a different form of Hylian also known to us) . Now, knowing that, I'm expecting you'd fancy to translate another form of Hylian which is quite important as well, and that'd be the OOT Hylian language form (which is also used in Majora's, TP and even in A Link to the Past, since OOT is chronologically supposed to be previous to that one as well...we can even say that Lorule used this as well, so Demise must have knew that form as well, I'll say why next ).

Of course I'll tell you the reasons for me to believe all of this, I've got simple, yet solid proofs based on the events unfolded on the games that OOT Hylian form is used on those games, and differs from ancient and modern Skyward Hylian...here are my thoughts:

1) OOT have got an official alphabet released, those characters are based on ciphered Japanese Hiragana, and differ greatly from those in here, which makes it safe to assume that the phonetic/grammar is also different

2) Since majora's Link (some say he isn't but i think he is) is the same as OOT, and everyone in Termina (including post signs) seems to be able to understand link and like-wise, we can say that OOT and majora's Hylian is the same

3) the reason why i think TP uses this language as well, is based on the skeletal hero who teaches TP Link his skills, i believe this spirit/zombie/Stalfos thing is either OOT or Majora's link (I'd be glad to share my theory about it with you)...since Link is able to understand this fallen hero, it is safe to assume that they're speaking a common language (which would mean that Midna is speaking the same language as well since she can speak/understand Link, and her phonetic is different than Fi's so is not Skyward Hylian...which makes you think that the twili use the same language since Link can understand Midna's annoying commands from the moment they met). Even if you use TP's official alphabet to refute this (for t is different than OOT one and is based on Latin letters instead of Japanese ones) i should remind you that a language can change it's writing while keeping their spoken part the same (as is the case of the Japanese, which is spoken basically the same way as centuries ago, yet they've got 3 writings, which are kanji 'the original Japanese letters based on ancient Chinese' the hiragana 'simplified Japanese, totally different from kanji' and katakana 'actually made up and relatively new for writing foreign things' .

4) When it comes to why I say Demise is able to speak/understand this other Hylian, the answer lies on his sword...his sword bears the Lorule Triforce as a crest, and he, himself is said to "have emerged from a fissure in the ground" and Lorule is actually only accessible from "rifts" on the ground after some big quakes take place (he probably liked the idea)...but the thing is that Lorule didn't even existed at the Skyward era, but much later so, since Demise is called "a being who transcends time" is is safe to assume that he got his crest idea from Lorule's Triforce which happens to have an inverted or "opposite" shape of the Triforce (which fits him well since all he does is opposing Hylia), the only way for this to happen, is for Demise to somehow have been in Lorule, and learnt those things, which means he somehow have gone to a time after the Skyward era, and have probably learnt that language in order to speak to some servant there. If you try to say that Demise might have been the one who invented the crest and Lorule copied it, I must remind you that Lorule's game was created long time before SSW, which means that it was Demise who took the crest from Lorule and not otherwise (perhaps they want to bring back Demise for a future game and were providing a connection to do so) all the hint point towards that direction.

sorry for such a long text...but i hope I've at least picked at your curiosity and perhaps have encouraged you to translate and make available the "Fallen Hylian" as i like to call it

you can contact me on this e-mail in case you want to discuss this further Zarkaynnel@aol.com

my best wishes and thumbs up for the page
:D
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Sarinilli Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
Actually, when I started this all those years ago I had intended it to be from the OoT era; but I also wanted it to be the "original" Hylian language given to the people by the Goddess Hylia herself (who at the time wasn't even named), so in essence yes, you're right. I was actually creating this language project in the first place based on an era in the games which didn't even exist yet. It's funny how it all plays together really, since there's a lot (and I mean a lot) that I don't have out right now and ideas I'd never shared.

When I began work I actually had no idea that the characters in OoT/MM were a Japanese cipher so I ran in my own direction with it. I'd like to think though, from a "what if it was a real world" (not saying it is, but it's the way I think when I'm working on my language, to get the feel of it; I hope that makes sense) perspective, Hyrule wouldn't know or speak English or Japanese since it's another world; so the alphabets in the games being based on Japanese or English doesn't make a lot of sense from that perspective. They're fun, of course! And gives us fans various alphabets from various eras, but they are just that in the end, alphabets; ones based on this world but with another look and feel for the game world. My actual language project and alphabets go beyond that. So in essence, whether or not my language was passed down from the Sky era, it wouldn't change all TOO much by the OoT era; geological alterations of things like slang terms, exact use of some words, and forms of respect for example would be the most predominant differences, but that would likely already be happening in the Sky era too, especially after the game takes place. 

As for the alphabets changing while spoken language stays the same, of course I understand. That's why I did adapt and expand upon the "original" or "ancient" Hylian and thus have two different alphabets for my language. I've thought about adapting the Twilight Princess and Wind Waker era alphabets as well, but I run into slight problems with the TP era variation basically being a stylized version of the Roman Alphabet; it's lovely but it's obvious when you match up the letters. I haven't had the time to sit down and crack how to add the syllable letters appropriately without butchering the look and feel of the official version of the alphabet. As for the Wind Waker era alphabet, I've put more thought into this one and I'm rather certain how I would adapt it without much effort. But again, I just haven't had the time to sit down with this yet either. 

As for Demise's sword, no. It's true, Lorule didn't exist that far back yet and I have a very good theory on that. Why Demise's sword has an inverted Triforce though I don't think has anything to do with Lorule. Remember, before Lorule's Triforce was destroyed the land was supposed to be just like Hyrule, so theirs being inverted didn't mean the land was evil, just a mirror image. I think it's a lot more simple than that, and a combination of two things; the first being that inverting a holy symbol is usually seen as blasphemy, a disgrace, an insult, or a corruption; and second, Nintendo knows us fans love those three triangles and who knows, maybe they thought it would drive us nuts trying to figure it out. I think it's the first though, for various reasons that I link to the more subtle metaphorical information in the games. 

As far as OoT and MM Link being the same thing it surprises me that people would still debate that. Even before Hyrule Historia directly confirmed it I knew they were the same. I don't tend to get involved with theorists and theory discussions on Zelda because so far I've agreed with Nintendo mroeso than anyone else I've spoken to, before they even made any timeline or connection between heroes official. Again with the long story and not necessarily important right now. 
But yes, safe to say I agree with you there. It's something people don't like to think about because if things play out the way the official timeline states, it's highly likely that during the course of Majora's Mask, Link is already dead. I mean, it has been confirmed that the ancient hero in TP (who looks like a stalfos) was the spirit of Link's ancestor and pretty well confirmed to be OoT Link...which means in MM, Link just got lost in the Lost Woods and...well....yeah. I like to think there's a LOT more to it than just that, of course, but that's pretty much how it looks. Something I guess people want to deny by thinking that they're not even the same person. 
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Zarkaynnel Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  New member
well, thanks for taking your time to read my post, i know it was long and annoying

it's nice to know you're working in all forms of hylian...looking forward to your progress

and omg finally someone you can talk about Zelda with and don't jump saying the most ridiculous theories...it's annoying when someone just try to say some fanmade bollocks they've read...

when it comes to demise, we should agree to disagree, perhaps later we can share more extensively and with details the whole Lorule theories we've got, but the point i make is, Lorule and demise are connected somehow and i can bet Nintendo's got something big planned behind all the mystery about the subject

ah! a piece of advice, i know it might go against your principles as a hylian translator, but I've thought...what if instead of just plainly write TP hylian as it is, you take the most obviously Latin letters and mirror them or turn them sideways...ya know, to give them a more ancient and mystic touch (just an opinion here)
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adlez-vaatixmidna Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Man I am going to be really fucking confused if I try switching to yours after becoming fluent in Kasuto's Hylian conlang
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Sarinilli Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
Naaa, it should be fine once I start getting more out. I'm going to make sure I have some pretty good comprehensive lessons and tips. :3
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lordofdope Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
not gona lie. this is pretty badass!^^
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